Holt vs Agbonlahor
These rumours just don’t seem to go away, and they’re already getting boring. We’ve seen numerous links with Holt, we’ve seen numerous stories linking Agbonlahor with a move away so the Daily Mail being the good sports that they are have released a story mixing the two together.
Here are a few snippets from the piece, which seems to suggest that Lambert is on a sell to buy agenda. I’m not sure that’s the case, as with the wages now more manageable I hope we have more money to spend and the figures quoted are correct:
‘Sunderland manager Martin O’Neill is hoping to be reunited with Gabby Agbonlahor this summer, should Grant Holt complete his move to Aston Villa. New Villa boss Paul Lambert is hoping to bring Holt – his captain at Norwich – to Villa Park. If he does so then fellow striker Agbonlahor will be told he is free to leave the club.
With Villa owner Randy Lerner looking to cut costs, he would have to move players on to compensate for Holt’s arrival, and Agbonlahor is at the front of the queue. The 25-year-old will welcome a reunion with O’Neill, having enjoyed his best form at Villa under the Ulsterman.’
Lambert might have some idea of what he wants to do with regards to the squad, but you still have to imagine/hope that he won’t sell anyone of note without seeing them on the training ground first. I would certainly have other players ahead of Gabby I’d get rid of, and even a few days after these stories came out, I still see a number of Villa fans split on the matter.
I’d keep him for the next season at least, because I think he deserves that opportunity should he want to stay at the club. I’d move him back up front and keep him there, maybe try and get his extreme speed back and use him in addition to Holt, Bent, Weimann and whoever else. He may not like the idea but Gabby could cause chaos as an impact sub after Holt and Bent have tired out the opposition. Of course we’re looking way ahead here, but ultimately I’d like to see the player stay for this season, and potentially much longer if he rediscovers his form.
I’ve had a quick glance at the league stats for Holt and Gabby the last few seasons, and even though Holt has played in the lower leagues the last few years, his impact this season hopefully suggests he can cut it in the Premiership:
Holt:
2011/12: 35 games, 15 goals.
2010/11: 45 games, 21 goals.
2009/10: 39 games, 24 goals.
Agbonlahor:
2011/12: 33 games, 5 goals.
2010/11: 25 games, 3 goals.
2009/10: 36 games, 13 goals.
Interesting reading, and even though as I mentioned Holt’s last two seasons prior to the one just gone were in lower leagues, in his debut season in the Premiership he’s already bettered Gabby’s best ever total of 13 (He had 11 twice the seasons before that). There is the very real danger of Holt being a one season wonder at this level (I mentioned Micheal Ricketts previously) but his goal record over the years seems to suggest otherwise. It’s also just occurred to me (thanks to a helpful comment below!) that the age is an important factor. So while Holt at 31 might be good for the here and now and maybe the next three seasons, Gabby is still only 25 so has years ahead of him. As the comment suggests if Gabby gets 7-10 goals at a minimum per season for that time, is it worth keeping him? Or should you expect more from a striker?
Ultimately I’m still undecided on the whole thing, but if it came down to swapping Holt for Agbonlahor I wouldn’t be keen. You could certainly see Gabby thriving elsewhere and that is a worry, I don’t want to be asking ‘what if’ with the player, hence why I think he should stay around for just a while yet.
These rumours don’t seem to go away, and hopefully we’ll find out more soon so we can start speculating about other transfer links!
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did not mention once about age of each player, this changes everything, if holt was 25, id think we would be worth 3 times his price, but he is 31… the same age heskey was when we got him… so although he might get 12 goals his first season… he is only getting older and older. Gabby might get 7 goals a year, but can do it for the next 6-7 years…
Knew there was something! Talked about it so much the last few days, that I feel we know everything about them now!
Great point, what are your views on the matter? Do you want Holt or prefer us to look somewhere else. I think I’ve got to the point where I’d be happy either way now.
I think we’ll have both with Bent, which should work great next season!
That’s what I’m hoping for mate along with Weimann.
His stats don’t lie and goals are goals. Holt is a pen taker though and I’m pretty sure for the lack of Gabby’s goals he makes up for it with constant running of channels. No other striker on villa’s books can do that as DB and Weimann play off the shoulder. If holt came in he wouldn’t offer anything different other than maybe aerial ability. We need to keep Gabby. Under the past two managers he’s had a bad run and he’s a confidence player. Hitzfeld said Lambert is a great motivator even when he was a player. Utilised correctly then he’s an asset every day of the week. Raw pace and physical strength are things we haven’t got up front. Imagine a manager letting Ireland and Makoun do what they do best, assisting strikers with through balls to Gabby’s pace. I predict a great season from Gabby under a decent ‘footballing’ gaffer
UTV
Good post mate, and good point about the penalties as well, always help! I wrote previously that a four of Gabby, Bent, Weimann and maybe Holt would be a great mix of styles for the Premier League, especially if Agbonlahor can get that raw speed back.
I really hope Makoun gets a chance and like you say the thought of him and Ireland pulling the strings is an exciting one. Just looking forward to being able to change formations and tactics as Lambert does, be a nice change!
I’m not sure why age is sen to be an issue.
If we ignore the fact that footballers in 2012 are fitter than they have ever been we should consider the case of Peter Withe.
He joined us when he was 29 but had his 30th birthday a few days later. He was at Villa Park between the ages of 30 and 34 and in that time we won 3 major trophies. The key with Withe was that he fitted the style that the Villa wanted to play and as a result scored 74 goals in 170ish games. The key is not age but capability within a particular format. Given that most positions require two options in modern football I could imagine Weimann being a Holt prodigy but I don’t know who would be the Bent prodigy – perhaps Jordan Rhodes?
I suspect the writing was on the wall for Gabby after he realised he would never be an England player after his 3 appearances for England with no goals. His Villa scoring record since his last International has been pretty poor for a Premier League striker when we consider the goals scored by some midfielders.
I think gabby is a good lad, but quite plainly he needs to develop and get better every season, for me he hasn’t done that. However he can score goals as he did for MON, so I ask the question can PL develop him and use him intelegently. If someone game in for 10 mil plus then let him go and bring in someone consistent and with potential, Sturridge would be my choice, out of favor and affordable. Yes for Holt as a player for us, goals is what’s needed..quite simple.
we should get yakubu for a million and get kean they both better than holt
Ivica Olic is 32 and on bosman, I’d snap him up, irrespective of age. Definitely feel we need Makoun back but he needs to toughen up. I know people say he played for lyon and that proves it’s a poor league but they consistently made last 8 of CL with him as heart of the side.
Keep Gabby!!!
Ivica Olic has already been signed up by German side Wolfsburg…
gabby should play as a right back i think that will suite him better.
Unfortunately Gabby bulked up and lost the speed, now he is caught up by defenders, and when one on one he rarely will beat a keeper,he is not a natural goalscorer. Do I want Holt, dont knbow him that well but Lambert does, so if he choses him so be it. Gabby therefore will move on perhaps, for a decent fee why not!
Aren’t people forgetting Wieman, he may be the perfect foil for Bent who is not the most mobile centre forwqrd on the block, if he doesn’t score he does nothing! Lambert will earn his money sorting our forwards out
Massive fan of Weimann, and hope he continues to play a big part next season. As you say mate I’m happy for Lambert to come in and do his thing. If he does decide that Gabby isn’t part of his plans and gets rid then that is a massive statement straight away, and will at least show others that no one is safe here.
Figures to be an interesting summer!
Junior Hoilett any 1
Certainly would have liked him, but I think he’s off to Germany isn’t he?
Will always remember the hat-trick he scored against man city on the opening day of the season, he was lethal under o’neil. Don’t know what’s affecting his form of late maybe the managers playing him on the wing or maybe he just knows he’s guaranteed a starting place and needs some competition. Getting holt would give gabby a well needed kick up the arse and maybe he would start banging in the goals again. UTV
Perfect hat-trick as well wasn’t it? Yeah he looked so more dangerous back then. As someone mentioned previously he just doesn’t have the pace to escape defenders any more, and you wouldn’t trust him in a one on one situation 9 times out of 10.
There’s definitely a player there somewhere, and we’ve seen how electric he can be at times. Like you say mate maybe Lambert can give him the impetus he needs to reach the next level. Was hoping the captaincy would give him a boost, but it was always going to be hard to make an impact in last seasons team.
The reason Agbonglahor hasn’t scored more is because of the system he has played within.
For years Villa had only Plan A – quick balls behind the defenders for quick strikers to run on to. Managers played to stop that. If that became our plan B, then Agbonglahor could hit 20-25 in a season.
We know O’Neil only has Plan A (although he is very good at it). If Lambert plans the same, then sell Agbonglahor. If he has more than one plan, keep Agbonglahor and build his confidence. Naturally I hope it’s the latter.
Anyone think Lambert’ll give the Fonz a look? Still think he has potential to be a real player for us.
Was discussing the Fonz the other day mate and I do like his attributes, and remember watching him live for the England under 21′s and he was top. My main concern is that he’s just not going to get a run of games for us, and will probably be fifth choice if we bring in Holt or someone else. That might mean him leaving, and it would be no surprise if he had a Gary Cahill like impact at another club.
Hoilett a big yes please,
My realistic set up
M richards Collins. Huth. Lichai
Clark. Rep Coker
Hoilett. Ireland. NZog
Bent
I’ll ignore the fact you have richards in that side…leave man city for us? Dream land!!! You’d keep Collins?? Def put Clark at CB and then bring in a decent defensive mid,